Argentina: Interview with Irma About her
Teleportation (or Abduction) Experience
[An interview with the experience, conducted by
Marco Bustamante (interviewer), Esteban (news presenter) and an unidentified
woman, also a presenter for CRONICA-TV. Irma is the woman abducted by an
alleged UFO in La Pampa. She saw a very bright light in her patio, vanished for
24 hours, and reappeared 65 kilometers away.]
Interviewer: We’re here in La Pampa with Irma.
What a fright!
Irma: Yes, it was a fright. I don’t even know how
to explain it.
Interviewer: Could you tell us what happened?
Irma: Yes, see here. My husband went away to look
after another property and…he left, and I got up, had two or three cups of
mate, I played around with the phone and such, drinking mate early in the
morning, then the phone began getting crisscrossed with lines, like when the
service is going out –
Interviewer; [interrupts] So it was interference?
Irma: Yes, yes. I suddenly began hearing a buzzing,
like when the wind whistles against a window
Interviewer: A windstorm on the phone
Irma: Yes, a buzzing, a loud whistling, so, ah, I
told myself –
Interviewer: But it was outside?
Irma: I’ll tell you. When I looked at the phone,
and heard this sound, I went outside, thinking my husband had forgotten
something. I stepped out as far as there [points] where that little dog is.
Interviewer:
[camera pans right]
Irma: Up to there. That’s as far as I remember.
Ten meters. I remember nothing more.
Interviewer: So four or five meters to the dog, and
you lost sight of everything?
Irma: By the time I got here, I had no memory of
anything.
Interviewer: [to camera] Friends, Irma is the
woman about whom everyone has spoken, but this is the first time she’s speaking
out.
News Presenter: Mirta, it’s such a pleasure to
speak with you…
Interviewer: Irma, Irma
News Presenter: I’m so sorry, I’m awful with
names. I apologize. Tell me, what is it that you remember?
Irma: As far as remembering, I remember very
little. All I remember is the interference to my phone, the signal was lost. At
that time, I stepped outside to where we have a covered porch, and I recall
nothing else after that. I didn’t see any lights or anything at all. All I heard
was the wind, a lot of wind, like an incredibly powerful wind.
News Presenter: And you woke up the next day
somewhere else? Am I right in saying this? Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Irma: Yes, yes. Look, all I remember is that I
wasn’t sure if it was night or day. I tried to open my eyes and all I could see
was lights, many, many lights. And everything was white, as white as snow, you
see. Just like that. But that same brightness didn’t let me open my eyes. It
was something that kept my eyes from opening up.
News Presenter: And you couldn’t tell if it was
day or night, or where you were?
Irma:
No, no. No, no, no. Nothing. Nothing at all.
News Presenter: And you couldn’t hear anything or
see anything?
Irma: Only the light, a very bright light that made
my eyes shut again.
Interviewer: What did you feel?
Irma: I have no idea. No idea whatsoever. The next
day I remember –
Woman’s voice: Yes, please tell us.
Interviewer: Go ahead, tell us, tell us.
Irma: What I do remember the next day is that I
was sitting on the street with my legs outstretched, my arms on my legs. When I
opened my eyes, I saw the street, I was at the edge of the street, I could see
the other side, but I don’t remember how long I was sitting there.
Woman: And that’s what I was going to ask you. You
disappeared for 24 hours. Do you remember the perception of time that you had?
Did you feel 24 hours had gone by?
Irma: No
Woman: Did it feel like six months?
Irma: No, I only know what they told me. I don’t
remember how long I was –
News Presenter: Right, and the place you turned up…was
it known to you, did you recognize it or not?
Irma: Yes, because I’d gone by there. Which is why
I’m telling you, after I got up, I walked around, I felt my body and noticed that
I had my phone, right? The phone was in the pocket of my housecoat and it was
on.
Woman: Your phone was on?
Irma: I don’t know how long –
Woman: Yes.
Irma: I don’t know how long I wandered around
until I began reacting. When I looked at the phone, and saw it was on, I saw
the time was 5:10 in the morning. That much I recall.
Reporter: So at what time did you vanish?
Irma: Look, it must have been around 7 in the
morning.
Interviewer: 7 in the morning on Monday, and you
appeared on 5 in the morning on Tuesday.
Irma: No, I disappeared on a Tuesday and
reappeared on Wednesday
Interviewer: Ah, because that hadn’t been
ascertained so far, getting the dates right. You were gone on Tuesday and came
back on Wednesday.
Irma: Supposedly it was Wednesday.
News Presenter: That means there’s a one-night
window of absence between Tuesday and Wednesday
Irma: Yes, yes.
Woman: Twenty-four hours
News Presenter: A little less than that, though.
Twelve hours.
Irma: I don’t know, because I was around seven in the
morning that I went outside and then appeared the next day as far as I know.
Interviewer: At five-thirty more or less. And when
you came to and regained consciousness, you had enough presence of mind to take
photos?
Irma: No, that came later. What I did first was
phone my children. But I couldn’t speak. I started texting the kids. They tried
to video call me, but all I could do was move my hands around, because I couldn’t
[speak].
News Presenter: How? How did you move your hands
around?
Irma: I moved my hands around because I couldn’t
speak. Words wouldn’t come.
News Presenter: But you were able to see your
phone?
Irma: Of course, and that’s why I began to text.
Woman: What you did was get in touch by messaging.
Irma: Of course, it was the first thing I did.
News Presenter: In fact, when you got to the
hospital, you still weren’t able to speak.
Irma: No, no, it was a long time later that I –
Woman: When were you able to speak?
Irma: I don’t know. I couldn’t tell you. I
remember what happened from 5:30 in the morning to around 10:30 more or less.
Interviewer: What did they tell you at the
hospital?
Irma: No, nothing. They just asked me questions,
much as you’re doing right now. I gestured, because it was the only way I could
answer
News Presenter: Irma, evidently, this is the first
time you’re telling your story…the possible abduction…is that how you say it?
By a UFO, in the enormity of the province of La Pampa. Now, you’ve surely told
this to your friends, relatives, acquaintances. How did you say it, and how was
it received? Did they believe you or not?
Interviewer: [to News Presenter] Esteban, look at
this. This is the first time she’s spoken to anyone about it, except her
husband. This is the first time she’s spoken about it.
Irma: And with my kids. I only discussed it with
my husband and my kids.
News Presenter: And what did they say?
Irma: What were they going to say? They’re just as
startled as me. I would like to know what happened to me, but I still don’t
know anything.
News Presenter: But your children…you have two, is
that right?
Irma: Three, three.
News Presenter: Your three children and your
husband – I understand you all live together there in this farmhouse?
Irma: I’m sorry?
News Presenter: You all live together in the farmhouse?
Irma: No, not at all. My children are in town. I’m
out here alone with my husband.
News Presenter: With your husband. So your husband
was an entire day without seeing you?
Irma: Yes. Look, maybe it would be better if he
told you.
Interviewer: What impresses me is –
News Presenter: [overlapping]
Interviewer: Esteban, do you know what impresses
me? Is that to get to the place where she was found, you have to make a
complete turn. You have no idea how complicated it is to get here. We’re some
20 kilometers away from the town, but you need at least between forty minutes
to an hour by car to get here, because the road isn’t lovely, there are many
parts…you even have to drive across a stream…how were able to do all this? What
explanation do you have?
Irma: What
can I tell you?
Woman: Your clothes were clean.
Interviewer: When you were found, your clothes
were clean.
Irma: Yes, but they said I was very dirty, smelly…at
least that what they said.
Interviewer: So you walked 60 kilometers?
News Presenter: Excuse me, if you were able to
walk sixty kilometers on rural roads, dusty roads, at the very least your shoes
or slippers would be covered in dirt, at the very least. Your clothes too, but
the footwear, definitely.
Irma: Yes, but no matter how much, I don’t think I
could walk such a distance in that time.
Woman: Irma, did you have any marks on your body?
Irma: Yes, I have something that was done to my
head. That’s all I have.
Woman: They did what?
Interviewer: [to Irma] You stay right where you
are. We’re going to move the camera to show it. Where is the cut, Irma? Where
is the cut on your head?
Irma: On top.
Interviewer: Okay, on top. We’re going to be
showing you live this incision that appeared on her head.
[Irma brushes her hair aside with her right hand,
camera focuses in to show a dark pink mark on the scalp.]
News Presenter: Look at that cut! so weird. This
is incredible, Marco! It’s a meticulous incision. And a tough one to do, am I
right?
Irma: What I want is an explanation. How would I
do this to myself?
Interviewer: I have a confession to make. You
know, Irma’s case made me think of…do you remember the case of the Chinese
woman who left Ezeiza Airport, walked a few kilometers, she’d suffered a stroke
and was unconsciously doing some things. Did the doctors tell you if you’d had
a stroke or anything?
Irma: Well, they took me to [the town of] General
Acha, they performed X-rays and [earpiece falls out]
Interviewer: [fumbles to replace Irma’s earpiece]
News Presenter: It’s very strange, the thing about
your head.
Woman: Very strange.
Irma: It’s as if –
[On screen caption: “They Performed a Tomography
and There’s Nothing To Be Seen”]
Interviewer: Can I ask you a favor? Could you get
up and show us where it happened? Come, come, that way we walk around a little
[puts earpiece into Irma’s ear. Both walk to the middle of the property. News
Presenter thanks Irma for agreeing to the interview]. You were there, by that
blue curtain, is that your dining room?
News Presenter: It was seven o’clock in the
morning, is that right?
Irma: Yes, yes. That’s the house. [Points to door
and a cement path leading to a covered car port] I walked right up to there.
From the blue curtain to where the little white car is.
Interviewer: So the abduction took place right
there?
Irma: I don’t remember, but I know I got that far.
News Presenter: There’s interference, Marco. Did
you step on a wire or is there something else going on?
Interviewer: I’m using the cordless mike, no wires
involved.
News Presenter: Maybe I’m going deaf. Anyway, go
on, go on.
Interviewer: [Pointing at spot] So that’s where it
would have taken place [Buzzing metallic interference becomes noticeable]
Irma: Yes, as far as I know, it was right there. I
don’t remember anything beyond that.
Interviewer: [to News Presenter] Esteban, let me
tell you…the distance from the door to the entrance of the rural road is at
least one kilometer. If there was a vehicle involved, she would have noticed.
Right, Irma?
Irma: Yes, I suppose I would have. Aside from
that, take a look, all I could hear was the wind. A very strong wind that
seemed to suck you in, but that’s where I lost consciousness.
Interviewer: Yes, it’s very odd
News Presenter: The production staff is checking
the weather forecast for that day and there was no call for strong winds, at
least from what the records show.
Interviewer: [Walks with Irma to the carport,
which contains a Mitsubishi SUV. A sleeping dog gets up and walks away. Camera
focuses on two sizeable indentations in the soil] We’re standing exactly on the
spot where the abduction took place. [Looks at Irma] The place you were
kidnapped.
Irma: Yes, yes.
Interviewer: And from here, to the place where you
were found, there’s a 60 kilometer distance.
Irma: That’s more or less what they say.
Interviewer: [To News Presenter] But notice
something. Irma takes very short steps.
News Presenter: [Interested in the indentations]
Would those be the mark, the record, of the event? Am I saying it right or not?
Interviewer: Now we’re noticing the interference.
We got cut off.
Woman: Did you notice that?
Interviewer: There’s some sort of interference.
News Presenter: I was saying that those
indentations, depressions on the soil…could they be a record of the event? Could
it be a key to this investigation?
Interviewer: Was there a ground impression, ma’am?
Irma: No, I don’t think so. Well, I didn’t see
anything, so I don’t know.
Interviewer: [To News Presenter] Esteban, a little
context here…
News Presenter: Stop, we saw what looked like a
pit of some sort. Or is it a natural depression on the soil?
Irma: No, that’s something the dog does.
News Presenter: Oh, OK, nothing to do with it at
all. And Irma, could you tell me, how did the animals react? The dog, the cats…how
did they react?
Interviewer: Dogs are highly sensitive.
Irma: I couldn’t tell you.
Interviewer: You weren’t there.
Irma: There’s nothing I can say.
Woman: Did you hear them bark?
Irma: Can’t tell you. All I know is that I got
this far and…that’s all I know.
Interviewer: This is all very strange, guys. Very,
very odd.
News Presenter: Irma, would you be willing to tell
your story to an agency tied to the research into these matters?
Irma: No, I didn’t speak to anyone.
News Presenter: But would you be willing to do so?
Irma: Yes, yes.
[Translation and transcription (c) 2021 S. Corrales, IHU]