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03. The Invaders (Humanoid Case Histories) – “The Lilliputians,
Part 1”
Nelson Polanco: Hi there, Luis, how are you?
Luis Burgos: Just fine, Nelson.
NP: I wanted to discuss a very important segment of
humanoid case histories with you for some time now. It’s something that caught
my attention long ago, and I mean decades. I’m referring to the “mini-classifications”,
the ones that you refer to as Lilliputians.
LB: Exactly.
NP: Classifications that differ greatly from the rest, and
even differ from Type I, the shortest classification, standing one meter to one
meter twenty in height. These are even smaller, and would hardly reach twenty
centimeters in height.
LB: Yes, yes, They would constitute a sub-classification
under the creatures that stand between eighty centimeters to one meter. It’s
interesting to add sub-classifications. Notice that different kinds of humanoid
morphologies appear over the decades, in other words, it’s hard to find a
classification that’s exactly like another. We always go by a standard – small,
medium and tall – to which we then added a fourth, that covers ‘strange beings’,
we put them all in the same bag. But now, in this first section, we’ll be
setting aside the Lilliputians as a sub-set of Type 1. Agreed?
NP: Yes, absolutely. Matter of fact, with what you’re saying
right now, we put a great deal of effort into the classification you’re
discussing right now. I was even able to look into some of these cases in
person. With your extensive case files on humanoids, how many cases do you have
that go back to the 1950s?
LB: It’ll surprise you, but here in Argentina there aren’t
that many. We’ve only tabulated eight cases. There aren’t many abroad either.
It isn’t a very common classification, but whenever [a case] presents itself,
it’s important to take note of it, as it leads to substantial conclusions. Here
in Argentina, for example, we have a very first case that goes back to 1968
during the worldwide [UFO flap] that includes Argentina, and the latest case,
from around the ‘00s, was referred to me by [UFO researcher] Quique Mario,
involving ‘little men’ in a corn field in the vicinity of Macachín in southern
La Pampa. The case took place in broad daylight, and a rural worker was
startled by activity in the corn field. As he approached, he reportedly saw a
bunch of little men, tiny, standing some 20-25 centimeters. Many of them were
holding onto the corn, the kernels and the stems. Obviously, seeing this made
him feel nervous, he left the place, discussed his experience, some believed
him, others didn’t…Quique Mario found him to be highly credible – why would he
make up such a tale, when he could’ve conjured up a better one? This was the
last case. The first one was in the summer of ’68 in Gualeguay, which we have
mentioned in the OVNIS Siglo XXI blog, and whose protagonist was “Teresita”.
The witness lives in Buenos Aires, I’m in regular contact with her, and she was
8 years old at the time. She had a playmate, and both girls lived facing the
Gualeguay station. One afternoon, playing with rags and dolls, they saw
something – over by a puddle, since everything was wet after the rain –
standing amid the bushes. They thought it must be some animal, and when
Teresita approached the area, she said it was a little doll, but a living doll.
We gave him the name “el hombrecito” (The Little Man), the Little Man of
Gualeguay. As far as she was concerned it was a living doll. It was naked, with
soapy skin, perhaps on account of being wet. She picked it up and was
astounded. When she and her little friend headed back to the station – the playmate’s
father was the station watchman at the time – the man told her: “no, that’s no
little man, that’s something that fell down,” this that and the other, and took
it from her. He stole it. [Teresita] was living with her grandparents at the
time and she was afraid to tell them about what had happened, out of fear of
being scolded. But every time she saw the watchman, she would say to him: “I
want my little man back, you stole my little man.” Would you believe, Nelson,
there’s no trace of this person? Years ago the two of us tried to find his
whereabouts when she returned to her old stomping grounds in Gualeguay. We
asked neighbors, and they said he was from the days of the military
dictatorship, a very furtive type, a bully, and he stole her little man! It’s a
fascinating story, but incomplete, since we don’t know what the he did with
that critter, the little man. What strikes her is that there was a shooting
range in the background, and she and her friend would gather up the bullet
casings left behind. Much later, as a working hypothesis, we wondered if there
might have been a tiny spacecraft somewhere that ejected the little man and
left him there. A truly astonishing matter, but to this very day – and she’s in
her sixties – it’s something that she always reminds me about. Fascinating
situation, and it led me to set up the chart for Lilliputian beings.
NP: Such an interesting case, also when considering the
amount of detail. It’s important when a witness provides so much detail when
humanoid beings are concerned. When we analyze the material, these humanoid
beings have something in common. First, they’re all anthropomorphic. There isn’t
one with a single arm, for example. They all have two arms, two legs, a spinal
column, eyes, mouth…right? Like you said, a little doll. These are very small
beings –
LB: You’ll also recall the Puente del Inca photograph from
1969…
NP: Of course, one of the famous cases – one of the most
important photos in humanoid case histories.
LB: That case was investigated by Professor Corrado, an old
Mendozan researcher. I was in touch with him, as we formed FAECE in 1978, and I
remember it very well, as he was heavily involved in that case. He was a
relative of Professor Noviltá from Puente del Inca. They made a brief stop one summer
afternoon to take a photo, and upon having it developed he managed to see not only
a figure standing between 15 and 20 centimeters, but also managed to see some
kind of device behind it, could have even been a spaceship. The fact is that
the photo became known worldwide.
And that’s how we arrive two years later, Nelson, at a case
that will startle you. In 1981, it’s a case investigated by Marcelo Martinich,
the ufologist from Santa Fe….
NP: Our fondest regards to dear Marcelo, a great field
researcher in southern Santa Fe.
LB: …it was a case that occurred in Arias, in southern
Cordoba. At the time, there were many ‘saucer nests’ in Arias, ground effects
in the arable land, information provided by a correspondent of ours at the
time. The case involved a rural businessman driving a pickup truck along a
road. Morning. Broad daylight. He was going past the barbed wire when he saw a
landed object only a few meters into the field – an oval-shaped device with a
transparent dome. He said it was a glass window with a transparent dome. He
figured the device was over two meters in diameter, and had something like two ‘fish
fins’ sticking out of its sides.
Interestingly, [the device] flapped these fins all the time.
NP: A highly strange detail.
LB: Very strange! It’s unheard-of. The man approached the
object and claims to have seen seven or eight tiny beings. He figured they were
30 centimeters tall, and what he found most striking was that they were naked.
Their skin looked like horse skin, horse hide, but completely naked – he was
even able to see their penises.
NP: You mean they were naked and had penises?
LB: This man returned to his pickup truck to fetch a hammer
with which to smash the glass dome – can you picture the madness? And as he
went through the wire fencing to get the hammer, he felt how the object rose
into the air behind him. He turned around, the object rose higher and higher,
and then vanished. But there’s another major aspect – it left behind a trail of
yellow smoke, like sulfur. That’s an aspect that the researcher always
stressed. Here we have a band of humanoids, not just one or two. A band of Lilliputian beings, tiny ones. This
case was added not long ago, when Marcelo Martinich told me about it.
NP: So good! What a fine dossier.
LP: The subject of the Lilliputians is mind-bending. In
Azul, in 1985, I looked into a case involving a business couple in downtown Azul,
right beside a sewer drain. They saw a little male and female figure, wearing
military uniforms. A man and a woman, measuring some 20 centimeters, according
to the witnesses. What’s more, their hair was light brown, nearly blonde. As
they stared at this Lilliputian couple, [the creatures] decided to conceal
themselves in one of the drainage holes. They went right into the drains. They
crouched a little and crept into the drain. Businesses were open, traffic was
flowing, people were walking around, and since the witnesses were known to the
greengrocer, they told him what they’d just seen. “Look, you’re not going to
believe us, but this this and that just happened to us.”
“I’m going to believe you,” said the greengrocer. “A few
years ago, a neighbor lady, who doesn’t live around here anymore, told me the
exact same thing.” She had told him exactly the same story.
NP: So it was a recurrent case in that area.
LB: It was indeed a recurrent case. In Azul. That was in the
year 1985, Nelson.
NP: 1985, precisely the year of the UFO flap.
LB: That’s right, the beginning of the – this was in the
summer of ’85. The flap kicked off in mid-year. And we bring the subject of the
Lilliputians to a close with the famous case of the IPEFE hydraulic plant
around the year 1990 when a series of sightings were reported in Berisso. We
gave them the name ‘las monjitas’ (the Little Nuns). The little nuns of
Berisso. The little nuns were not Lilliputians – they measured 80 centimeters.
So what happened? Among the swarm of cases we were looking into in Berisso’s
Supe district, there was one involving the water plant. An old water plant,
dating from the 1900s, where the city of Ensenada and Berisso now stand. Both
cities are separated by some fifteen or twenty blocks. The remains of that old
plant are still standing. We were doing research and writing articles for some
capital area newspapers. Some workers from the navy yards told us that they had
been walking along the tracks around ten o’clock in the morning, and they saw
what they took to be an imp in the wilderness surrounding the plant. The imp
was also dressed in military uniform and stood 30 centimeters tall. Keep the
Azul case in mind. It was dressed in that sort of clothing – the difference
being that this one was bald and bearded. The creature just looked at the men
as if scanning the landscape. When it saw the humans approaching, it did an
about face and lost itself in the weeds. According to the witnesses, it went
under the power plant.
We ourselves went under the power plant. A dark, damp, place
with strange bugs, rats, you name it. And that’s where the story ended. It
happened at the same time as the ‘little nuns’ – we were told to go to the
abandoned plant to look for them, since a guy riding a bicycle one night had
seen them there. This new case just presented itself. So you can see what a
fascinating subject this is, these Lilliputians.
NP: Also interesting to see how the witnesses relate it to
local folklore, because they automatically say “they’re imps, they’re gnomes” –
a notable similarity with old stories of imps and gnomes.
LB: Look at the number of times we’ve been to Punta Piedra,
to the “El Descanso” wilderness, where there’s talk not only of UFOs and USOs
emerging from the water, strange lights…but also about the famous “forest of
the imps” spoken of by so many. We never had the chance to go there and have no
witnesses, or we would have added it to the case histories.
NP: The “forest of the imps” is where we always stop when
were at El Descanso. The property belongs to the Casteles, and it’s a little
forest of scrub vegetation and bushes…
LB: That’s right, there’s a wire fence that leads to another
property belonging to the Casteles, and well…the presence of imps is always
associated with the UFO subject here. It’s so hard to separate one subject from
the other.
NP: Exactly.
LB: There’s a fine thread separating one thing from another.
NP: You’ll remember another famous writer and researcher –
Jacques Vallée – who wrote a book called Passport to Magonia, I must have it
somewhere, where he discusses the link, the connection, between these imps and
gnomes with UFOs and CE-3Ks , and the creatures that we could classify as this
new subspecies.
LB: It’s not exactly new, but we’re recovering this
classification that was scattered all over books. We can now collect it and
feature it as a new UFO classification.
NP: Yes, exactly.
LB: Well, Nelson, let’s close this broadcast and leave room
for the next installment. You have two very interesting cases that I’d like to
hear about.
NP: Yes, thank you, Luis, Bye.
[Transcription and translation © 2022 Scott Corrales,
Institute of Hispanic Ufology, with thanks to Luis Burgos and Nelson Polanco]
